From: Sven Mischkies on
FF <FAIRFOOTBALL.COM(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote:

> > Bayern 70s


It should be Bayern always. Cynical football, ref decisions in their
favour (but that I guess is normal for a top team), buying players from
direct competitors, etc.

I think the reason why the 70s are listed is that at the time Germany
had 2 new great teams - the inventive Gladbach and the cynical/clinical
Bayern. And the cynical team was more successfull.


> > Estudiantes 67-70
> > Don Revie's Leeds United
>
> No idea.


You will struggle to find teams that played dirtier football.


> > Greece 2004
>
> Hated is a bit too strong a word but disliked definitely.


I don't see why.


> > Juventus Always
> > Man U post - 93
>
> No idea.


Too successfull. ;)


> > Italy Always
>
> Definitely. With an emphasis on 82 and 06, and a hate break in 90 and
> 98 - 02.
>
> > Arsenal 86 - 95
> > Ramon Calderon's RM
>
> No idea.


Real always. Franco. Di Stefano. Hugo Sanchez. Bribing refs and getting
lots of funny decisions in return. Hubris to its max. The current Real
is almost likeable, compared to the past.


> > Here is my list of the 10 most liked -
> >
> > Hungary 54/ The magic magyars
> > Barcelona post - 07
>
> I'd say post 06, 06 included. Last team to win the UCL both on
> FairFootball and officially.


I'd say Barca always. It comes automatically with what I said about
Real. ;)


> > Busby Babes Man U


Bollox. Let's replace that with Torino in the 40s.


> > Brasil 82
>
> Great team, too bad they had such a horrible keeper. But then the
> keeper is part of the team too.
>
> > Holland /Ajax early 70's
> > Santos of Pel�
> > Denmark 86 - 92
>
> Not really. Played well, got lucky, were practically at home. Besides,
> the Euro is full of surprises.



It should be 84-86. Took part in EC92 because of politics and won it
because of bad refereeing. But such a great breath of fresh air in
84-86.


> > Napoli of Maradona
>
> I don't think so. I never saw them play but I'd be very surprised if I
> liked them.


They had Maradona, it is impossible to like them.


> > France 82/86 ( Platini )
> > AC Milan early 90's
>
> No way. One of my hate teams. Basically bought their way to glory,
> besides played closed rough cheat italian football IIRC.


I agree regarding the money, Milan of 80s and 90s was no different to
Chelski today.


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From: +mrcakey on
"El Kot" <nono.black.elko(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hm7ekn$6tq$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> Enzo wrote:
>> According to this article-
>> http://goal.com/en-india/news/2292/editorials/2010/02/23/1803725/10-most-hated-football-teams
>>
>
> Some strange choices...
>
>> Argentina 90
>
> Why '90? If any must be hated, it is the '78! The totally, blatantly
> undeserving champions, that robbed Holland of the title! Ugh!
>

Or '86 when the cheating gits robbed England of a place in the semis.

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From: FF on
Sven Mischkies wrote:
> FF <FAIRFOOTBALL.COM(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote:
>
> > > Greece 2004
> >
> > Hated is a bit too strong a word but disliked definitely.
>
> I don't see why.

Obviously because they could teach italian teams a thing or 2 about
catenaccio. It was unbelievable, basically they had one attack action
per game and scored from it. Weakest luckiest ugliest team to ever win
a serious trophy IMO. A good thing it was just the Euro.

> Real always. Franco. Di Stefano. Hugo Sanchez. Bribing refs and getting
> lots of funny decisions in return. Hubris to its max. The current Real
> is almost likeable, compared to the past.

Yes, well, true they bought their way to glory too, big time. But that
team of 2000 and 02 was so good and played so well you could almost
forgive them for it. Somehow I can't hate them.
From: Sven Mischkies on
FF <FAIRFOOTBALL.COM(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote:

> Sven Mischkies wrote:
> > FF <FAIRFOOTBALL.COM(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Greece 2004
> > >
> > > Hated is a bit too strong a word but disliked definitely.
> >
> > I don't see why.
>
> Obviously because they could teach italian teams a thing or 2 about
> catenaccio. It was unbelievable, basically they had one attack action
> per game and scored from it. Weakest luckiest ugliest team to ever win
> a serious trophy IMO. A good thing it was just the Euro.


Yes, their football wasn't the most spectacular. ;)
But they are a team with limited talents, playing attacking football
would have been suicide for them. Instead they did what they could and
pulled one upset after another, thanks to their great coach and their
huge balls. Them winning the EC is like a second league club winning the
cup - it is rare, it is not the result of great football, but it is a
great show of balls :) and it has a certain romantic quality (it is
possible to beat the big guns after all!).

Please don't read too much into me using the words balls and roantic in
one sentence. ;)


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From: higgs on
On Feb 26, 8:27 pm, hs...(a)der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies)
wrote:
> FF <FAIRFOOTBALL....(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote:
> > > Bayern 70s
>
> It should be Bayern always. Cynical football, ref decisions in their
> favour (but that I guess is normal for a top team), buying players from
> direct competitors, etc.
>
> I think the reason why the 70s are listed is that at the time Germany
> had 2 new great teams - the inventive Gladbach and the cynical/clinical
> Bayern. And the cynical team was more successfull.
>

Sad, but often true.

> > > Estudiantes 67-70
> > > Don Revie's Leeds United
>
> > No idea.
>
> You will struggle to find teams that played dirtier football.
>

I've seen dirtier, tho Leeds were certainly physical.
But also cynical.
It was a question in the European Cup in1974 as to who you least
wanted to win.
Predictably, it revolved around dubious decisions.

> > > Greece 2004
>
> > Hated is a bit too strong a word but disliked definitely.
>
> I don't see why.
>

Greece weren't in the least bit entertaining and played for the
counter.
Not hateful, but hardly endearing.

> > > Juventus Always
> > > Man U post - 93
>
> > No idea.
>
> Too successfull. ;)
>

And have always attracted bandwagon jumpers.

> > > Italy Always
>
> > Definitely. With an emphasis on 82 and 06, and a hate break in 90 and
> > 98 - 02.
>
> > > Arsenal 86 - 95
> > > Ramon Calderon's RM
>
> > No idea.
>
> Real always. Franco. Di Stefano. Hugo Sanchez. Bribing refs  and getting
> lots of funny decisions in return. Hubris to its max. The current Real
> is almost likeable, compared to the past.
>

The Franco connection is repugnent.
The di Stefano affair is enough to explain why Barca hate RM.

> > > Here is my list of the 10 most liked -
>
> > > Hungary 54/ The magic magyars
> > > Barcelona post - 07
>
> > I'd say post 06, 06 included. Last team to win the UCL both on
> > FairFootball and officially.
>
> I'd say Barca always. It comes automatically with what I said about
> Real. ;)
>
> > > Busby Babes Man U
>
> Bollox. Let's replace that with Torino in the 40s.
>

No, let's leave them in.
They (in the absence of a crystal ball) would have been great.
They nearly were.

> > > Brasil 82
>
> > Great team, too bad they had such a horrible keeper. But then the
> > keeper is part of the team too.
>

It wasn't just the goalie.
The defence was also suspect.

> > > Holland /Ajax early 70's
> > > Santos of Pel
> > > Denmark 86 - 92
>
> > Not really. Played well, got lucky, were practically at home. Besides,
> > the Euro is full of surprises.
>
> It should be 84-86. Took part in EC92 because of politics and won it
> because of bad refereeing. But such a great breath of fresh air in
> 84-86.
>

92 was a fairytale end. Got lucky against Holland, but everyone wanted
them to beat Germany.

> > > Napoli of Maradona
>
> > I don't think so. I never saw them play but I'd be very surprised if I
> > liked them.
>
> They had Maradona, it is impossible to like them.
>

Maradona at Napoli was worth admiring.
Maradona with Argentina was unlikeable

> > > France 82/86 ( Platini )
> > > AC Milan early 90's
>
> > No way. One of my hate teams. Basically bought their way to glory,
> > besides played closed rough cheat italian football IIRC.
>
> I agree regarding the money, Milan of 80s and 90s was no different to
> Chelski today.
>
..
Agreed.
AC set the tone for the excess that is modern football (tho the real
prototype was RM in the 50s). Buy the best players in the world (even
if you have to sit some of them on the bench for a while) and pay them
shitloads of money. Impress upon them that the only thing that matters
is winning.
Altogether ironic that this is the team that Benny admires more than
any other and in fact got him interested in football in the first
place..