From: Abubakr on
On Jan 2, 7:17 pm, "Diabolik" <Diabo...(a)noemail.com> wrote:
> "Alkamista" <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 1, 10:50 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 2 Jan, 15:10, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jan 2, 12:17 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > 10 Arsenal going the entire 2003/2004 season undefeated
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> > > > 9 Jose Mourinho winning the title in three different leagues in five
> > > > years
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> > > > 8 Barcelona winning every competition they entered in 2009
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> > > > 7 Spain finally winning a major championship
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> > > > 6 Real Madrid's surreal 2009 spending spree
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> > > > 5 Henry's handball against Ireland
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> > > No. IMO, of course. Replace with EPL's rise to prominence
> > > and the fall of the Serie A.
>
> > Which is why EPL teams have now managed to win exactly half the CL
> > titles as Serie A teams this decade and been represented in just two
> > extra final berths.
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> > If you are going to troll at least be good at it.-
> > Expressing an opinion, and especially the majority one, is not
> > trolling.
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> Numbers don't lie and aren't opinions.
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> > The UCL is not just the final, but a whole tournament, and
> > EPL teams have done exceptionally well in it last few years, and
> > certainly better than Serie A clubs. Also, head to head EPL have
> > dominanted, and on many occasions even humiliated, Serie A clubs this
> > decade. Seriously, you have got to be kidding.
>
> Which humiliations are you referring to?
>
> You mean like the Milan-ManU 3-0 humiliation?

He is referring to Man Utd beating Roma at home. But that same Man Utd
were comprehensively outplayed in Rome in the first leg.

Then there was Newcastle losing 4-1 at home to Inter also in this
decade.
From: The Scrutineer on

> I remember some bitter fans (you can guess which club hte majority of
> those supported) scoffing at that record because they "drew too many
> games" or something silly like that.

Though that did lead to the biggest result of the decade in Manchester
United beating and ending Arsenal's 49 match run. it was enormous, think of
how different thing might be if that result was reversed!!!

From: FF on
Alkamista wrote:
> 10 Arsenal going the entire 2003/2004 season undefeated

Nice, but not that notable if you're not english.

> 9 Jose Mourinho winning the title in three different leagues in five
> years

More impressive IMO was his win with Porto in the UCL 2004.

> 8 Barcelona winning every competition they entered in 2009

Too bad they won as they did against Chelsea in the most important of
them.

> 7 Spain finally winning a major championship

Just the Euro. If they win this year's WCup, now that will be
something.
(BTW, they won the Euro before.)

> 6 Real Madrid's surreal 2009 spending spree

Possibly, but I doubt many will remember it in a few years time.

> 5 Henry's handball against Ireland

No way. Minor incident blown out of proportion.

> 4 Liverpool winning UCL final after being down 3-0 at halftime

Yes. Something to remember.

> 3 Calciopoli

Yes of course. Possibly the biggest.

> 2 Underdog Greece winning the EC in 2004

Again, just the Euro.

> 1 Zidane headbutting his way off the pitch in a WC final

Notable indeed, but not at no. 1.


My own (probably very personal) take:

9 - 11 Zidane, Ronaldinho and Messi (I'm not sure they qualify as
events but the way they played at their best I'll definitely remember)

8 Zidane headbutt 2006

7 Liverpool UCL win 2005

6 Chelsea - Barcelona 2009

5 Porto UCL win 2004

4 Brazil WCup winners 2002 (nothing extraordinary but still, a WCup
win is something notable)

3 Spain and Italy cheated out of the WCup in 2002

2 Calciopoli

1 Italy's tainted WCup win in 2006
From: Enzo on
On Jan 2, 4:50 am, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2 Jan, 15:10, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
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> > On Jan 2, 12:17 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > 10 Arsenal going the entire 2003/2004 season undefeated
>
> > > 9 Jose Mourinho winning the title in three different leagues in five
> > > years
>
> > > 8 Barcelona winning every competition they entered in 2009
>
> > > 7 Spain finally winning a major championship
>
> > > 6 Real Madrid's surreal 2009 spending spree
>
> > > 5 Henry's handball against Ireland
>
> > No. IMO, of course. Replace with EPL's rise to prominence
> > and the fall of the Serie A.
>
> Which is why EPL teams have now managed to win exactly half the CL
> titles as Serie A teams this decade and been represented in just two
> extra final berths.
>
> If you are going to troll at least be good at it.


What part of rise to prominence of A and fall of B equates to A has
won
more than B ? Couldn't it be A has improved while B has gone in the
reverse
direction ? Don't the UEFA numbers, tallied over the years, point to
that fact?
Is it not a undisputed state of affairs now that the EPL is the top
league,
while the Serie A is in serious danger of losing its 4th CL place? Did
this not
happen over the course of the decade?

If you are going to call names, back it up with something more solid.
For the more reasonable, here is an interesting article -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/aug/21/serie-a-year-zero-season-preview

From: Abubakr on
On Jan 2, 9:09 pm, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 4:50 am, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
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> > On 2 Jan, 15:10, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 2, 12:17 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > 10 Arsenal going the entire 2003/2004 season undefeated
>
> > > > 9 Jose Mourinho winning the title in three different leagues in five
> > > > years
>
> > > > 8 Barcelona winning every competition they entered in 2009
>
> > > > 7 Spain finally winning a major championship
>
> > > > 6 Real Madrid's surreal 2009 spending spree
>
> > > > 5 Henry's handball against Ireland
>
> > > No. IMO, of course. Replace with EPL's rise to prominence
> > > and the fall of the Serie A.
>
> > Which is why EPL teams have now managed to win exactly half the CL
> > titles as Serie A teams this decade and been represented in just two
> > extra final berths.
>
> > If you are going to troll at least be good at it.
>
> What part of rise to prominence of A and fall of B equates to A has
> won
> more than B ?

All of it.

Couldn't it be A has improved while B has gone in the
> reverse
> direction ?



Don't the UEFA numbers, tallied over the years, point to
> that fact?

Do they? Is that why EPL teams have won so many more UEFA trophies in
this decade than their Serie A counterparts?

> Is it not a undisputed state of affairs now that the EPL is the top
> league,
> while the Serie A is in serious danger of losing its 4th CL place?

Balderdash. What are you, a spokesman for BSkyB?

Did
> this not
> happen over the course of the decade?
>
> If you are going to call names, back it up with something more solid.
> For the more reasonable, here is an interesting article -
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/aug/21/serie-a-year-zero...