From: Diabolik on

"Bruce D. Scott" <bds(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de> wrote in message
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> Mark V. (markvanderv1(a)yahoo.com) wrote:
> : On Jan 1, 5:06=A0pm, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> : > On Jan 1, 6:45=A0pm, "Mark V." <markvande...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> : ck:
> : >
> : > Asia - Nothing notable, apart from Australia joining the AFC. Just the
> : > usual suspects qualifying for the WC and making little noise.
>
> : South Korea's run in the 2002 WC could win honorable mention.
>
> I agree actually, but... with this stupid conspiracy crowd you won't
> get a majority of mature responses :-)

Of course we're stupid...and yours is a mature response? lol.

Of course Fifa doesn't make any mistakes or doesn't have agendas, they are
GOD.


From: Diabolik on

"Thomas Schneider" <thomasschneider66(a)gmx.de> wrote in message
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> Diabolik schrieb:
> [...]
>>> I think some people are having a very hard time accepting the reality
>>> that the once mighty Serie A is now a shell of its former self and in
>>> danger of not even being a top three league in Europe.
>>
>> If that was the case Italy wouldn't have won the last WC, with ALL
>> players playing in Serie A.
>
> Ten years ago the Serie A was ranked highest in the UEFA rankings, now it
> is 3rd and in danger of falling behind Bundesliga(!).
>
> Average match attendance has dropped from abour 30k to 25k a game.

Even though that's relevant, other factors like TV rights bring in the
majority of revenue.


> There was football related violence reslting in deaths. A few years ago
> there were Roma derbys stopped by hooligans storming the field if I
> remember correct. There were a number of games that had to be played
> without attendance due to football related violence.
>
> There was Calciopoli.
>
> The big players have left the league. There are still very good players
> left like Buffon or Totti, but they are not at the same level like
> Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi or Casillas.

They're not the same level? Buffon? Eto'o?

I think they are.


> Serie A is not a rubbish league, but if you ask me it has lost a lot of
> the class it once had.

Yeah Serie A has gone down, but we're still there.

We'll know by the end of this season.


From: Alkamista on
On Jan 4, 6:45 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5 Jan, 09:05, anders t <anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Quoting FF in rec.sport.soccer:
>
> > >> The EC is basically the WC without Brazil, Argentina
> > >Which is exactly why it's a second-grade tournament.
>
> > Argentina's fabulous record the last 4 WCs
>
> > 2006: QF - lost to Germany (UEFA)
> > 2002: 1R - 3rd after SWEDEN and England (UEFA and UEFA)
> > 1998: QF - lost to Netherlands (UEFA)
> > 1994: OF - lost to Romania (UEFA)
>
> > Not much better than, oh, Sweden, for instance. If at all.
>
> > What is it exactly that makes Argentina particularly
> > important for calling a tournament first-grade since
> > 1990 (two decades)?
>
> > --
> >        MANCHESTER UNITED FC
> >             CHAMPIONS
> >   ENGLAND 08/09 & THE WORLD 08/09
>
> First name the European sides with a better record over that period
> and then come talk...

Why so bitter and snappy all the time? Tough life?
From: Abubakr on
On 5 Jan, 16:55, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 6:45 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5 Jan, 09:05, anders t <anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Quoting FF in rec.sport.soccer:
>
> > > >> The EC is basically the WC without Brazil, Argentina
> > > >Which is exactly why it's a second-grade tournament.
>
> > > Argentina's fabulous record the last 4 WCs
>
> > > 2006: QF - lost to Germany (UEFA)
> > > 2002: 1R - 3rd after SWEDEN and England (UEFA and UEFA)
> > > 1998: QF - lost to Netherlands (UEFA)
> > > 1994: OF - lost to Romania (UEFA)
>
> > > Not much better than, oh, Sweden, for instance. If at all.
>
> > > What is it exactly that makes Argentina particularly
> > > important for calling a tournament first-grade since
> > > 1990 (two decades)?
>
> > > --
> > >        MANCHESTER UNITED FC
> > >             CHAMPIONS
> > >   ENGLAND 08/09 & THE WORLD 08/09
>
> > First name the European sides with a better record over that period
> > and then come talk...
>
> Why so bitter and snappy all the time? Tough life?

there was nothing bitter about what I said. the european countries
with a better record than Argentina in the last twenty years are very
few. off the top my head, I'd they are restricted to Italy, Germany
and France even though the latter has not qualified for one of those
WCs.

given that fact, the EC becomes a 2nd grade comp. Here's something
you'd love: the EC is analogous to the Champions League being without
the EPL teams.
From: higgs on
On Jan 2, 3:50 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2 Jan, 15:10, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 2, 12:17 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > 10 Arsenal going the entire 2003/2004 season undefeated
>
> > > 9 Jose Mourinho winning the title in three different leagues in five
> > > years
>
> > > 8 Barcelona winning every competition they entered in 2009
>
> > > 7 Spain finally winning a major championship
>
> > > 6 Real Madrid's surreal 2009 spending spree
>
> > > 5 Henry's handball against Ireland
>
> > No. IMO, of course. Replace with EPL's rise to prominence
> > and the fall of the Serie A.
>
> Which is why EPL teams have now managed to win exactly half the CL
> titles as Serie A teams this decade and been represented in just two
> extra final berths.
>
> If you are going to troll at least be good at it.

I'm not exactly sure how you work that one out.

Milan appear to have won in 02/03 & 06/07, Liverpool won in 04/05 &
ManU in 07/08.
If Italian clubs won twice as many as EPL clubs this decade, where do
the other 2 Italian wins come from?

Not only that, if the EPL hasn't risen to prominence and Serie A
hasn't fallen from it's previously prominent position, how do you
explain just 1 (that's ONE) Italian team making the final in the last
4 (that's FOUR) years, and 5 (that's FIVE) EPL teams making the final
in the same period?

Or is this another of your weird maths equations where 2 is the new 4
as far as Serie A is concerned?