From: Thomas Schneider on
FF schrieb:
[...]
> It is special, it's not very important. Winning one title undefeated
> means less that winning 2 titles, in sequence or not, while losing
> some games.

Teams win titles all the time, all over the world. Playing a whole
season without one single loss is something that rarely happens at least
in the top leagues. Not the biggest achievement ever made, but
definitely something noteable if you ask me.

Thomas
From: Deeppe on
On Jan 4, 3:55 am, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
> Deeppe (tut...(a)hotmail.com) wrote:
>
> : On Jan 1, 4:17=A0pm, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> : No mention of US  NT beating Spain?
>
> : <bg>
>
> : It's in MY top 10 at any rate.
>
> For neutrals, what should make it significance is that it prevented
> Spain from setting an all time world record unbeaten streak.
>

Fair enough!

REVISED:
The US NT beat Spain in 2009 and in doing so prevented Spain from
setting an all time world record, and in doing so, garnered the
admiration and gratitude of millions worldwide.

Has a better ring to it, doesn't it? <vbg>

Gawd we better get through our group.
From: Thomas Schneider on
Diabolik schrieb:
[...]
>> I think some people are having a very hard time accepting the reality
>> that the once mighty Serie A is now a shell of its former self and in
>> danger of not even being a top three league in Europe.
>
> If that was the case Italy wouldn't have won the last WC, with ALL players
> playing in Serie A.

Ten years ago the Serie A was ranked highest in the UEFA rankings, now
it is 3rd and in danger of falling behind Bundesliga(!).

Average match attendance has dropped from abour 30k to 25k a game.

There was football related violence reslting in deaths. A few years ago
there were Roma derbys stopped by hooligans storming the field if I
remember correct. There were a number of games that had to be played
without attendance due to football related violence.

There was Calciopoli.

The big players have left the league. There are still very good players
left like Buffon or Totti, but they are not at the same level like
Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi or Casillas.

Serie A is not a rubbish league, but if you ask me it has lost a lot of
the class it once had.

Thomas

From: FF on
anders t wrote:
> Quoting FF in rec.sport.soccer:
>
> >> The EC is basically the WC without Brazil, Argentina
>
> >Which is exactly why it's a second-grade tournament.
>
> Argentina's fabulous record the last 4 WCs
>
> 2006: QF - lost to Germany (UEFA)
> 2002: 1R - 3rd after SWEDEN and England (UEFA and UEFA)
> 1998: QF - lost to Netherlands (UEFA)
> 1994: OF - lost to Romania (UEFA)
>
> Not much better than, oh, Sweden, for instance. If at all.
>
> What is it exactly that makes Argentina particularly
> important for calling a tournament first-grade since
> 1990 (two decades)?

OK, you're right. If Argentina was in the Euro and Brazil out, it
would *still* be a second-grade tournament.
Satisfied ? ;-)
From: Abubakr on
On 5 Jan, 09:05, anders t <anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com> wrote:
> Quoting FF in rec.sport.soccer:
>
> >> The EC is basically the WC without Brazil, Argentina
> >Which is exactly why it's a second-grade tournament.
>
> Argentina's fabulous record the last 4 WCs
>
> 2006: QF - lost to Germany (UEFA)
> 2002: 1R - 3rd after SWEDEN and England (UEFA and UEFA)
> 1998: QF - lost to Netherlands (UEFA)
> 1994: OF - lost to Romania (UEFA)
>
> Not much better than, oh, Sweden, for instance. If at all.
>
> What is it exactly that makes Argentina particularly
> important for calling a tournament first-grade since
> 1990 (two decades)?
>
> --
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>             CHAMPIONS
>   ENGLAND 08/09 & THE WORLD 08/09

First name the European sides with a better record over that period
and then come talk...